Non-Tapered Golf Grips: 8 Facts to Know Before You Buy! Yes, that above but Apologies for the generalization to right-handed golfers, the opposite will obviously apply to lefties. flat but he has such a horrendous over the top move he gets by using irons that are 2 deg up. I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. Pleased in both regard, distance and ball flight is good. So, for the sake of your irons, take your clubs to a custom fitter if you plan on bending them. Golf is hard enough without a bag full of easy swings an choke downs? This will change the trajectory of the ball, and can potentially cause misdirected shots. Mine are bent 2 strong to offset my high ballflight. Currently I'm playing 712 MB's with x100 shafts at standard loft. Thanks, [quote name='clemsondds' post='1859449' date='Aug 2 2009, 02:39 PM']Thanks but I'm more curious about launch angle. Move it more downline untill you achieve the desired trajectory. I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. [/b][/size] They should be leading and flat. 6-iron - 26.5 degrees. . In other words, make your 7 the length and lie of an 8, which should reduce the spin a bit. I would tweak loft to adjust my distance gaps. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Do Pros Use Graphite Irons? - Golf Span [quote name='OldGolfer87' timestamp='1444324826' post='12428468'] 2 deg flat seems to work pretty well for me. Thanks. Players have been doing this for a long time. 2 up is a decent fit for most guys 6'1 to 6'3 with "normal" ape factor. or tiger used 2 weak one his old iron i dont know if he still using it, Ping G430LST w/ TPT 14HI / Synergy green 75tx / Ventus TR blue Irons Bent stronger - WRX Club Techs - GolfWRX I've always just played with whatever I had, but I'm now trying to work my way up to being able to afford a set that actually fits me. Even with the knowledge of club bending and its importance on your play, there are a lot of misconceptions about what can and cant be done with a clubs loft and lie. Thanks for your perspective on this. Are modern irons with stronger lofts easier/harder to hit - GolfWRX Callaway XR Pro 9* Matrix Red Tie 65x I agree with these two reasons here. "Just change your swing" isn't always the answer. After all, manufacturing golf clubs and ensuring the loft and angle on each club is no easy feat, so its not something that you should experiment with. **. As mentioned, if youre thinking about bending your golf clubs, wed recommend consulting a professional club fitter first and getting a second opinion. And that changes the flight of the ball right? Gotcha. [quote name='ijohnson' timestamp='1441070745' post='12242666'] #3 there are no real cons, bend away and try it. This is helpful if you want to adjust instead of replacing your irons, particularly if their loft angles arent as they should be. Repeat a few times for checking, and can check a few different irons ie 7 and 9 and 5 etc to confirm your general tendency. '19 Apex Pro 5-A w/PX I read your comments on why some bend lofts on iron sets strong and i try to swing smooth because to me swinging hard offers little to no benefit ,please remember im talking about me and not others in general , i have lost speed on my swing over the last 5 years where it was noticable to me , but i truly started losing speed after my rotator cuff and bicep tendon tear on my right arm , i cant say it was a noticable difference but that is when it started in 2010 is when i started bending all my irons strong because of lost distance because i was hitting irons 1/4 to 1/2 a club different and it progressed over the next few seasons to a full 1/2 a club or about 2 degree's and then came a hip replacement in 2014 and when i got back to playing regularly i was bending a 46 degree wedge to 43 degree / 9 iron 39 degree's and so on and i did that to try to get to the same distance i had in 2010 where i hit GW 110 / PW 120 /9 iron 130 and it progressed from there .. You absolutely can buy a golf bending machine to use at home, but you will find that theyre super expensive, typically costing several hundred if not thousands of dollars. Or do people change launch angle to decrease bounce? Haven't registered for Team Titleist yet? The mark on the sole will show if your clubhead is level or toe up or down at impact. Still have questions? I would be pleased with them. Fit the lie angle so that when [b]YOU[/b] swing that club the sole of the club is 'flat' to the ground ie neither too upright nor too flat - this is when the impact tape on the sole of the club will show the impact/rubbing to be in the middle of the sole. Titleist's 620 MB & Callaway's Apex TCB irons are the next most used with 7. After all, golf clubs are designed in such a way to ensure that you can pick the precise club out of your bag to hit the ball the required distance. You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. that is why the standard lie angles of GI irons will be more upright thant the standard lie angles of a " players" iron, even among the same manufacturer. 54*, 58* TM TP wedges 3* flat. [/quote]tango xray 3 3 gives a great visual during practice with that hoop! Setting aside the discussion about why lofts are getting stronger, I was wondering why someone would bend the lofts strong rather than use the next club in the bag and swing smooth. [/quote] Display as a link instead, Deciding whether or not to bend your clubs is down to personal preference. Honma TW747 15* Vizard FD-8X Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. [/quote] It would seem that bending lofts stronger would make them go further. Coops, Thanks but I'm more curious about launch angle. Looking For Advice or Feedback, Stealth 3 Wood, Unique Odyssey, RTX Raw, Epic Flash, Ping Eye 2 BeCu 1 iron - $1,000here me out, Your Choice of EvnRoll ER11v Mallets ($210). Why is it so popular to bend your irons 2 degrees up? It would seem that bending lofts stronger would make them go further. So, unless you plan on bending a significant number of golf clubs (and you plan on doing it more than once), it makes much more sense to pay a club-fitter to bend your golf clubs on your behalf. I read your comments on why some bend lofts on iron sets strong and i try to swing smooth because to me swinging hard offers little to no benefit ,please remember im talking about me and not others in general , i have lost speed on my swing over the last 5 years where it was noticable to me , but i truly started losing speed after my rotator cuff and bicep tendon tear on my right arm , i cant say it was a noticable difference but that is when it started in 2010 is when i started bending all my irons strong because of lost distance because i was hitting irons 1/4 to 1/2 a club different and it progressed over the next few seasons to a full 1/2 a club or about 2 degree's and then came a hip replacement in 2014 and when i got back to playing regularly i was bending a 46 degree wedge to 43 degree / 9 iron 39 degree's and so on and i did that to try to get to the same distance i had in 2010 where i hit GW 110 / PW 120 /9 iron 130 and it progressed from there .. Learn how to control your irons from multiple ydgs. [quote name='cxx' timestamp='1444396444' post='12432280'] There is a tendency to over analyze things here, and the thought that a degree or two of loft making that big of a difference is often over exaggerated. Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? So for many, playing an upright lie with your irons is a quick and dirty fix for those who can't or don't want to take the time to fix a swing flaw. Stronger iron lofts don't always create more distance Or Ping Glide Stealth, 54,58 SS. I have some of my irons bent 2* strong. I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. It wouldn't surprise me if that's exactly why Jason Day chooses to play 4-P all bent a club strong. 6-iron spin: 6850 RPM. I can do that with my 5 iron.. Oh wait never mine. This is the most important tweak you can make to your golf clubs (Who Makes Them? As far as launch angle goes, that isnt really as important on irons because you have so many of them (compared to 1 driver etc). If you don't like bend them back. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] Golf clubs that are 17-4 stainless steel cast irons will be more difficult to bend, as they are made of much harder metal than the likes of carbon steel and graphite. a few generalizations about lie angles: short golfers (think Ian Woosnam) will often require flatter lies; tall golfers (think Tom Weiskopf) will often benefit from more upright lies. I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. Ordering & Information Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. [/quote] The #1 reason for doing this is it changes how the club will sit on the ground. Could be the flatter lie angles. (used to hook, now after lessons - ongoing - cannot hook even if i try to.. still hope to get back to a nice draw..) . So, if you want to bend your golf clubs this season, you can expect to pay somewhere around the $100 mark for your entire set of irons, but you might be able to negotiate a discount. Why not take one more club, and how much distance do you gain with 1*. Setting aside the discussion about why lofts are getting stronger, I was wondering why someone would bend the lofts strong rather than use the next club in the bag and swing smooth. In other words, make your 7 the length and lie of an 8, which should reduce the spin a bit. thanks. It is all about fitting. Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x 3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2" 4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2" 4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400. Hes happy to answer any of your questions! Used to be 6'1" but I've shrunk a little. This sounds like a lot of advice from people who have never been high ball speed, high spin, high trajectory players. and for the mechanics I would recommend working on ball position. Depending on how often you play, iron head material softer forged carbon steels will move more with regular use and course conditions (firm versus soft), you very well could benefit from. Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. He's on fire now, but I can't remember him playing well in windy conditions. The spin makes the ball "balloon" and land too steep which actually makes it harder to stick greens so while the spin may not be the actual problem, it's the reason that I would like to flatten my ball flight out. While some golfers can afford such a price tag to improve their clubs, others will balk at it! I read your comments on why some bend lofts on iron sets strong and i try to swing smooth because to me swinging hard offers little to no benefit ,please remember im talking about me and not others in general , i have lost speed on my swing over the last 5 years where it was noticable to me , but i truly started losing speed after my rotator cuff and bicep tendon tear on my right arm , i cant say it was a noticable difference but that is when it started in 2010 is when i started bending all my irons strong because of lost distance because i was hitting irons 1/4 to 1/2 a club different and it progressed over the next few seasons to a full 1/2 a club or about 2 degree's and then came a hip replacement in 2014 and when i got back to playing regularly i was bending a 46 degree wedge to 43 degree / 9 iron 39 degree's and so on and i did that to try to get to the same distance i had in 2010 where i hit GW 110 / PW 120 /9 iron 130 and it progressed from there .. It wouldn't surprise me if that's exactly why Jason Day chooses to play 4-P all bent a club strong. Then again this is all coming from a low spin player. What bouncedoes is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. While the result of bending strong may be that short/mid irons go further, it won't help on the top end of the bag. CallawayTCB w/ LAgolf L-series 5 Day in particular looks like he's always hitting 100% or more. 4-iron - 20.5 degrees. 8 iron 38 160 [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='1441131685' post='12246270'] Of course the 4* bend is just to illustrate the point but it's better than describing everything in fractions of clubs. [size=5][b] I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. Play a draw, no more or less than standard lie. So that could be the difference. I am 6 ft tall but have short arms and stand upright so standard clubs are horrible for me. [/quote] How Much Does 1 Degree of Loft Affect Distance? - Golfing Schools [/quote] [/quote] It is all about fitting. So I play my irons 2 deg flat. Bending irons to stronger lofts and the effect on bounce I had my Vr pros bent 2* strong and it did both. Just be mindful that high-quality cast irons will be a little more difficult to bend and require a specialist bending machine. Pw 47 125 How much will bending an iron affect how it plays? How do they test to determine which launch angle best suits you. 7 iron 34 165 There are different golf club bending machines out there at different price points, so you have lots of options to choose from if you want to bend your clubs yourself. I have a natural draw. You can post now and register later. For example, when the club is flat, the toe of the club makes contact first and gets slowed down a bit so the clubface opens a bit promoting a fade. There is no worry about bending a club that was bent last year or last week. Warrior Golf Clubs Review - What Happened? Perhaps he likes the look of offset and that's how he chooses to get it done. The flex will be X-stiff or XX-stiff for the strong pros who hit the ball a mile. ps my irons are bent (or when i got my Pings, ordered) 2 degrees up ;-) ) - this was to get the sole flat at impact honest. Please contact Patrick Gallagher at 800-437-1314 or email patrick@mitchellgolf.com. I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. While golf club manufacturers certainly try to make a consistent product, there are often inconsistencies in the lofts and lies of the clubs and they may not be progressively consistent from one club to another. I'm curious about this as well. 6-iron spin: 6850 RPM Let's say that lies err on the upright side these days. Have you experimented with different shafts? Nike VR Pro LE 15*, 'Ahina 75s I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. Posted August 1, 2009. get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). Oddly, despite several swing changes over many years have consistently need a couple of degrees upright (Ping green code equivalnet, i think..). wil wait and see after my present promising swing changes.! And that is forged soft steel clubheads and there are several forging methods and processes available. The Senior pros are able to compete with their graphite shafted irons, but the modern . as many have already said, a more upright lie sort of "fixes" the leak to the right. R11S 8* square; Stock stiff Anyone know if most pros have this done? This is often the case with cheaper branded golf clubs that are mass-produced, as less attention to detail is paid by the manufacturers. You can post now and register later. Loft / Lie adjustments | Mizuno Golf Forum Add in the added forgiveness of modern irons, and you have a winning combination. Not sure about the AP2s. AP2 irons are forged and can be bent with no problem, BUT I would recommend taking them to someone who does this for a living. [/quote] about 2-2.5 increase in bounce for 4-5 increase in loft. #3 there are no real cons, bend away and try it. I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. bigo2398, August 31, 2015 in WRX Club Techs. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] Do you just go by the distance you hit them, and if you don't like your gaps you bend them a little? You'll shallow out impact (lower AoA) and reduce dynamic loft > combined they will reduce spin loft. [/quote] Contact Us Well, I'm a touch over 6'. Bending Golf Clubs: Should I Do it and How? - Windtree Golf See What Members Are Saying! Of course the 4* bend is just to illustrate the point but it's better than describing everything in fractions of clubs. Testing for correct lie angle is very easy - they'll put some tape along the sole of the club and get you to hit balls off a lie board (just a hard surface, can use the mat also but a good flat hard surface makes the mark easier to see). Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. [quote name='OldGolfer87' timestamp='1444324826' post='12428468'] If you take your clubs to a fitter or professional, you can expect to pay somewhere between $5-$20 per club, but a lot will depend on the price of amendments in your local area. ps i see a poster right before mine made comments about " good players " and their abilities to manipulate flight and trajectory of the ball just because a player has strong lofted irons does not give one indication of their ability so jump off your high horse .just because you may have a low handicap does not make you elite enough to judge others .. This is a more upright lie angle.. You can strengthen the loft, which will reduce the spin and travel further but won't really fix your problem which I think is too much spin for given trajectory and distance. So tweak to fit your gaps If you feel like you are spinning the 6 too much for a certain type of shot on a particular day, hit a knock down 5 iron or scrub some speed off the 6. Cobra King LTD 17* w/Blueboard, Scor 50* RTX3 54* MD5 58* This also means youre much less likely to screw the process up, and your clubs will be bent to perfection! move it forward again, then repeat. Mickesgolf Quote Link to comment You should absolutely give it a try with a few clubs and see what you think, you can always go back and it might just work. Do you just go by the distance you hit them, and if you don't like your gaps you bend them a little? You should absolutely give it a try with a few clubs and see what you think, you can always go back and it might just work. Maltby KE4 14* 3w , Axe Excaliber R flex tipped 1" An affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon. Can you bend a metal wood? Ping G410 3, 5 and 7 wood, Ping G410 5 hybrid-not much use. (Worth the Money?!). Or, (tinfoil hat on) TMAG wants him to be the poster boy for how long their new irons are and this way they get to hear McCord gush about how Day hit a 168 yard 9 iron. Or, (tinfoil hat on) TMAG wants him to be the poster boy for how long their new irons are and this way they get to hear McCord gush about how Day hit a 168 yard 9 iron. Can then bend the irons to get the sole level at impact - or with Ping you'll order them to suit. Of the 59 irons surveyed in the chart, if a traditional 7-iron is 34 (thanks to this GolfWeek article ), that means 15 of them are 34 or 1 weaker than traditional loft, AND 44 are 1 or more stronger. You could bend them stronger but like anything there's a chance something breaks. [/quote] The most easy 'drill' is just hit it lower visually place a hoola hoop a few feet downline and hit the ball through it. #2 reason is to space yardage gaps as needed. WRXer 'harpu728' kicks off the thread saying: "Being that higher-lofted irons within the same set are easier to hit (i.e. Are their ways to ensure a club wont break? [/quote] If your intent is to modify them by making them one degree strong, you will be changing the play of the iron, and also the physical appearance possible (could be debatable if the human eye can tell one degree, I'm not sure since I have never had to do this to any of my sets.). I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. It is very easy to do these modifications, and also recommended by a lot of folks to have your set checked either frequently or at the end of each year in case any changes happened during the season from general play. GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 24, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 17, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 10, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 27, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 20, By [b]I'm guessing when most say they have been bent 2 degrees, they are talking about the loft[/b]. Taylormade Aeroburner TP 15* GD AD-BB 7x Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. Your previous content has been restored. I would be VERY patient during this process of changing your ball position. I'm guessing when most say they have been bent 2 degrees, they are talking about the loft. 6-iron launch: 17* Vice versa if the club is upright. Display as a link instead, [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pszXHplqx4"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pszXHplqx4[/url] (DTL). Callaway Rogue Max LS 9* Tensei AV Blue 6, Titleist TSi3 strong 3w 13.5* PX HSRDUS black 70, Titleist TS3 19* hybrid Tensei Blue/Titleist TS3 23* TenseiBlue, Vokey SM8 50*F & 56*M Callaway Jaws MD5 60*. Upload or insert images from URL. [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='1441131685' post='12246270'] 3W&5W: CallawayEpic Flash Most guys would love to have a little extra spin on those longer irons to hold greens, personally I would tweak the swing a bit but I wouldn't really change to much else as you have a huge advantage having that little extra spin there with a club like a 6 iron. ENTER NOW! Any adjustment to loft will alter the bounce angle on the sole. which leads to your observation since a rather huge majority of golfers slice the ball (even if they like to call it a fade) then a simple band-aid is to bend it more upright.. in the same way most drivers have their faces set closed at address and also with far more upright lie angles than 'fits'. They will adjust each iron to get even gaps between each iron. However, correcting the loft and angle by bending the clubs is a super quick way of fixing this issue. GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 24, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 17, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 10, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 27, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 20, By 7-Iron Comparison by Loft. GIVEAWAY! Taylormade Stealth+8* Fujikura Pro Tour Spec 73x. Forged titanium models are bendable as well due to their softer titanium structure. It is just a way to fit the club for your swing, nothing that is . Paste as plain text instead, Mizuno MP30 5 - PW, AXE Excaliber stiff, Hogan Apex PC E Wedge (50*) TT DG s300 Diamana GT 70 TX TM Tour Tip. It would definitely not work for me but might be ok for you. How accurate are the loft and lie readings of clubs straight from the manufacturer? Whether you can still hit the ball in the air and make good contact is dependent on your swing. Looks like a bit more than expected for a standard lofted 6 but not crazy. Edel E-3 Torque Balanced 36", 345g, Golf Pride Tour SNSR Contour 104cc The pros that adjust their lofts are doing so to not only control ball flight but give them consistent distances between clubs. [quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780'] Of the other main manufacturers used . Why not take one more club, and how much distance do you gain with 1*. Paste as plain text instead, I will also need to bend my irons 2 degrees flat according to a lie board. Cleveland RTX 2.0 50*, 55*, 60* Bending say, 2* strong would have minimal effect on offset. 1001 Industrial Blvd So I was fitted for clubs and the pro said that on my new clubs I didn't need any adjustment. With all due respect, I am not saying you do not, but club fitters do this all the time and if they mess it up then they can replace the club. So I was fitted for clubs and the pro said that on my new clubs I didn't need any adjustment. The loft of an iron should be adjusted according to the golf course you play. I am now thinking I am just going to bend my 712 Ap2 irons to the 714 AP2 specs so my gaps will match up better with my wedges. To make sure shots are flighted properly, lighter shafts are usually used in stronger-lofted models, like the KBS Max in Callaway's Rogue and TaylorMade M4. 15% of the top 100 PGA Tour pros use stiff shafts in their irons including Hideki Matsuyama, Corey Connors, and Matt Kuchar. The most easy 'drill' is just hit it lower visually place a hoola hoop a few feet downline and hit the ball through it. You can take your clubs to a fitter, and they will be able to check the angles and lofts of each of your irons and make any necessary adjustments based on what they find. Strong lofts are only part of the equation that today's golf club engineers use to help you hit their irons further. Taylormade M6Callaway Steelhead XR 4+Mizuno MP-18 mb 4-PWTitliest SM7 50f, 54s, 58dSC Phantom X 5.5. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. WIth KLP on this one: bending stronger for spin reduction/trajectory is IMHO missing the point, fix impact first. In addition, once a club is bent to a given specification, it will stay there until changed by an outside force of either bending again or striking a hard object. Every set of clubs sold should have some sort of custom work on them if fitted properly. This can significantly alter the way that you strike the ball and can save you a fortune as far as upgrading, or changing clubs is concerned. If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. Hyde Park Shooting Los Angeles, All Bills Paid Apartments In Denison, Tx, Dunlop West Of Scotland Tennis Leagues, Hemosiderin Staining Hydroquinone, Articles D
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